I talk to a lot of business owners who have built something meaningful and then quietly admit, “I have no idea what life after this looks like.” They know they want out of the 60-hour grind. They also know they don’t want to be invisible. That tension is exactly why I wanted to bring Dr. Susan Reid onto The Real Bottom Line.
Susan is a revisioning specialist, an author, and a keynote speaker. She has been a scientist, an MBA, a PhD, a professor, and, in the middle of all of that, an entrepreneur who helped co-create a new product category. She is not talking about retirement as “sit on the couch and fade away.” She is talking about becoming.
This is a write up of our conversation so you can work through it at your own pace.
The Day Vision Walked Onstage With a Yo-Yo
Susan’s whole path into studying vision started in the late 80s. She was doing her MBA at McGill at night, working in a research lab during the day, and starting to notice something about herself.
She was more interested in the people in the lab than the Petri dishes in front of her.
Around that time she and her then-boyfriend (now husband) went to York University to hear Bob Proctor speak. Bob comes out on stage in this bomber jacket from the 50s or 60s and starts doing yo-yo tricks. Total pro level. Everyone is thinking, what is happening right now?
Then he explains it.
He wanted that jacket. That was the vision. He didn’t know how. He didn’t have the lessons. He didn’t have the path. He just knew, “I want that.” The how showed up after the vision.
That moment absolutely floored her. She had never heard the word “vision” used like that. Not as corporate jargon, but as a simple, human, “this is the thing I want” statement.
She went back to school and basically asked her marketing prof, “Is this learnable? Or do some people just pop out of the womb with vision?” The prof said, “Why don’t you do your PhD on it?” Nine years, two kids, a business, and a teaching career later she did.
So when she talks about vision, this is not fluff. It is academic research plus lived, messy, entrepreneurial experience.
Creating a Category, Then Deciding to Be #1
Here’s where it gets even more interesting. While she was doing the research side, she and her husband actually started a business. They decided to make ice cider. At the time there basically was no ice cider market.
So they said, “We will be the number one ice cider maker in the world.”
That sounds big and dramatic, but this is her key lesson: because the vision was that big, it instantly shaped the plan. If you want to be number one in the world, you cannot stay inside your own borders. Export becomes a requirement, not a someday. It tells you what to do.
And she found this over and over: the clearer and simpler the vision, the easier it is to communicate to staff, partners, suppliers, even to yourself. That is why she gets people to whittle it down to seven words or less. If you can’t remember it, you won’t act on it.
I related to that so much. In my own financial planning work, I talk about getting all the balls out of the air, looking at them, and then simplifying. You cannot manage 28 priorities every day. You can manage two or three. Vision is what lets you pick the two or three.
Why Retirement Trips Us Up
We eventually moved into her new book, Revisioning Retirement. I always call it “life after work,” because that feels more accurate. And if you work with business owners, you know this already, but I’ll say it here again.
The money is not the hardest part.
The identity shift is.
You are used to saving, then suddenly you are supposed to spend.You are used to having a team, and now your calendar is wide open.You are used to being introduced as “the owner,” and suddenly someone says, “Oh, you’re not working anymore?” and it lands like an invisibility cloak.
Susan said that was one of her fears when she left academia early at 57. “Who am I if I am not Dr. Susan Reid?” Then she stopped herself. “Wait a minute. I am still her.” The degree did not evaporate. Her smarts did not walk out the door. But the context changed, and that can be jarring.
She also pointed to research and lived experience that says many people stay working longer than they actually want to because they are scared of that loss of identity. That matches what I see when owners sell. The stats on regret after exit are real. A big chunk of that is, “I didn’t build the next thing first.”
The Hard Stop and the Grocery Store Floor
One of my favourite parts of the interview was when she told the story about moving from 100 to zero. She and her husband had sold their business. She had left the university. They moved to Nova Scotia. She went on a month-long trip to France. Dreamy, right?
Then she had a full-on panic attack on the floor of a massive French grocery store, wedged between the cheese and the cash.
Why?
Because she had studied vision for 30 years and still forgot to apply it to her own retirement. She went from full speed to no plan. And her body said, “We are not doing this.”
I loved that she shared that, because it proves the point: even people who teach this need to approach retirement as something you plan, not something you fall into.

Freedom From vs Freedom To
This is where we really lined up. I often say retirement is not only freedom from something, it is freedom to something. Susan said the same thing.
The old dictionary definition of retirement is “leaving work because you are old.” That is useless.
A more useful frame is: I am withdrawing from one way of being so I can move toward another way of being. That is revisioning.
When you see it that way, you realize you can:
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Hard reset the way she did
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Ease out the way my friend Tim did, by scaling back hours every year and trying new things
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Stay in the same network, but consult or volunteer in a different capacity
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Keep working, but only on the stuff you actually like
All of those are valid. What matters is that you chose it.
Preparing Yourself to Vision
This was one of the most practical parts of the episode. Susan said people always ask, “Ok, but how do I actually do the visioning?” Her answer is, first you have to get quiet.
Turn off the phone.Get off the computer.Step away from other people’s voices.Sit with the transition long enough to actually feel it.
Then she recommends journaling on push and pull factors.
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Push: what made you want to leave in the first place? Politics, burnout, boredom, misalignment, lack of flexibility.
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Pull: what is actually calling you? Geography, grandkids, art, travel, volunteering, a new business, a new field.
Most people only look at the push and they miss the pull. Then Day 1 of retirement hits and they have no idea what to do with the time.
Listen To The Post Interview Wrap-Up
Three Ways to Open Back Up
Susan said something I want to steal forever. She said we are usually in a state of contraction or expansion. If we are in contraction, we cannot hear vision. So her revisioning work is about opening back up. She uses three ways.
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Nature. Go outside. Walk. Run. Sit. It doesn’t have to be a 10-day silent retreat. Just remove the noise.
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People. Talk to people on purpose. Which leads to her next idea.
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The Universe. Call it spirit, soul, intuition. The point is, listen to what is inside you, not just what the market says.
That second one, people, is where she introduced the idea of a Retirement Team.
Build a Retirement Team (Strong and Weak Ties)
Your Retirement Team is the group of people who help you move into the next chapter. And no, it is not just your spouse.
She builds it off the idea from Mark Granovetter’s “The Strength of Weak Ties.” You need:
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Strong ties: family, spouse, close friends. They tell you the truth, they support you, and you braid your visions together with them. I loved that phrase, by the way. Braiding visions. That is exactly what couples need to do. Your visions do not have to be identical, they just have to work together.
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Weak ties: looser, collegial connections who open doors and show you options. The choir you might join. The advisor you bring in. The person who is two steps ahead of you in the field you want to enter. Weak ties are where the new ideas often come from.
If you only talk to your strong ties, you will mostly revisit what you already know. If you include weak ties, you will see what is possible.
Being Vision vs Doing Vision
Most of us, especially entrepreneurs, default to a doing vision.
I will run this business.I will make this much.I will launch this product.
Susan pushes people to build a being vision instead.
Who do I want to be?What kind of person do I want to become in this next chapter?What would light me up if I was not trying to prove anything to anyone?
When you start there, the doing actually becomes easier. You stop asking, “Should I do this or that?” and start asking, “Does this match who I am becoming?” That cuts decision fatigue way down.
She even said, a lot of the time the seed of that being vision is already in you. You just have to water it. (I loved when she said she does karaoke at home and hands people the mic. That is her authentic self. Why would she leave that behind?)
Let the How Come Later
One of the biggest traps people fall into is trying to map the entire how before they even say what they want. That is backwards.
Name it first. Let it be a little unreachable. Make it seven words if you can.
When you do that, your mind starts looking for paths. This is what Benjamin Hardy calls “impossible goal in an impossible time.” You leap out of linear thinking.
And this is the best part: the clearer the vision, the easier it is to explain to the people around you. Which means it is easier for them to support you.
What This Means for Business Owners
If you are planning to sell, hand off, or even just step back, do not wait until after the deal closes to figure out your life. That is how you end up as one of the people who regrets stepping away.
Start building the Retirement Team now.Start journaling push/pull now.Start trying activities now.Start talking to your strong ties now, so you can braid your visions.
Money is one part of this. Meaning is the other.
Susan’s Bottom Line
At the end I asked if there was anything I had missed. She said no, but she wanted to leave one message.
Revisioning, and revisioning retirement, is about the art of becoming.
It is a science, but it is also an art. And you have to give yourself room to play in that space. Try things. Test people. See what fits. That is the work.
If you want to reach Susan, she is at susanreid.com and on LinkedIn. Her book Revisioning Retirement is on amazon.ca and amazon.com.
And if you are a business owner who is trying to figure out what life after work looks like financially and emotionally, that is exactly the space I like to work in. We can make sure your money supports the vision, not the other way around.
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